Do you have high LDL or high total cholesterol? If you read my previous article about cheese, you may recall that these LDL or total cholesterol numbers alone are not reliable predictors of mortality from heart disease.
An NBC News piece went further to cite American science writer Gary Taubes who reported that the LDL and total cholesterol numbers have been such poor predictors of disease risk that early screening tests should have likely just tested for HDL and triglycerides and nothing else.
A 1977 NIH study — an early set of papers from the now legendary Framingham Heart Study — confirmed that high HDL is associated with a reduced risk of heart disease. It also confirmed that LDL and “total cholesterol” tells us little about the risk of having a heart attack, language that heart-disease authorities would downplay years later. Given this finding, as Gary Taubes writes in “Good Calories, Bad Calories,” we would have been better off to start testing for HDL — or even triglycerides — and nothing else.
A more nuanced view associates the risk of atherosclerosis and heart disease with the type of LDL particles. There are two patterns (also referred to as “phenotypes”) of LDL particles.
- Pattern A: large, fluffy LDL particles which are largely benign
- Pattern B: small, dense LDL particles which are more likely to oxidize and lodge themselves to arterial walls
Studies have long shown the impact of LDL particle size on disease risk. A 1988 study in the Journal of the American Medical Association documented the association between Pattern B (small, dense) particles and disease risk:
The LDL subclass pattern characterized by a preponderance of small, dense LDL particles was significantly associated with a threefold increased risk of myocardial infarction, independent of age, sex, and relative weight.
So why not test for LDL particle size? The tests are more expensive!
However, there is an answer. While testing for LDL particle size is more expensive today than commonly used cholesterol tests, a triglyceride / HDL ratio of 3.8 or higher can predict pattern B with high confidence. A 1997 Harvard Medical School study also confirmed the efficacy of triglyceride / HDL ratio to predict the risk of myocardial infarction.
Given the age of these studies, the use of HDL and triglycerides has become accepted practice in some circles, as described by Everyday Health.
According to Scott W. Shurmur, MD, the medical director of the cardiovascular center at Texas Tech University Health Sciences Center in Lubbock, Texas, the particle test should be used for people who have other risk factors for heart disease or stroke, such as a family history of heart disease at early ages. “At the same time, standard cholesterol tests like HDL and triglycerides provide similar information (and are less expensive), particularly if non-HDL cholesterol is incorporated into the assessment,” says Dr. Shurmur.
Unfortunately, there are no widely adopted standards today for metrics of triglyceride / HDL ratios in common clinical practice. Some researchers have provided guidelines, including Zone Diet creator Dr. Barry Sears who wrote:
How can you tell which type of LDL you have? All you have to do is determine your ratio of triglycerides to HDL cholesterol, which would be found as part of the results of your last cholesterol screening. If you ratio is less than 2, you have predominantly large, fluffy LDL particles that are not going to do you much harm. If your ratio is greater than 4, you have a lot of small, dense LDL particles that can accelerate the development of atherosclerotic plaques – regardless of your total cholesterol levels.
Still, patients who view their standard lab test results will notice that standard lab results list other ratios including Total Cholesterol / HDL and LDL / HDL ratios, but they do not list Triglyceride / HDL ratios.
(TG/HDL = 138/83 = 1.7)
So why aren’t Triglyceride / HDL ratios more in use, or why aren’t LDL particle sizes discussed more often in the doctor’s office? After all, most of the research cited in this blog article is decades old!
Frequent readers of this blog know my skepticism around a lot of Western Medicine. Most continuing education for doctors is sponsored by pharmaceutical companies who have commercial interests in promoting use of lab numbers that their drugs can lower! According to an academic paper titled “Statins Do Not Decrease Small, Dense Low-Density Lipoprotein:”
Our study suggests that statin therapy—whether or not recipients have coronary artery disease—does not decrease the proportion of small, dense LDL among total LDL particles, but in fact increases it, while predictably reducing total LDL cholesterol, absolute amounts of small, dense LDL, and absolute amounts of large, buoyant LDL.
In other words, drug companies likely suppress the information about LDL particle sizes because their drugs preferentially target the benign “Pattern A” particles over the more harmful “Pattern B” particles!
My opinion: Before going on cholesterol lowering drugs, take a look at your triglyceride / HDL ratio. You may have “Pattern A” LDL particles and be at lower risk of heart disease than your LDL or total cholesterol numbers suggest.
Thanks, very interesting.
So, if my triglyceride level is 123 and my HDL is at 49 , the ratio is around 2.5— which is okay? Even though my LDL is at 192 ?
Your triglycerides are normal, and so are your HDLs. I think most doctors would recommend your taking a test for lipid subfractionalization by ion mobility. I did this in Germany, and my results showed “pattern A” with a high relative number of larger “fluffy” particles, and a small relative number of smaller “dense” LDL particles. The tests are offered in the US, too.
https://www.questdiagnostics.com/home/physicians/testing-services/condition/cardiovascular/cardio-iq-ion-mobility.html
The most recent Cleveland Heart Lab Cardio IQ test panel has my triglycerides at 103 and my HDL at 49, a ratio of about 2.1-1. Unfortunately it also shows I have far too many small lipid particles. Both LDL and HDL particles are too small according to the test results. I had 1909 LDL particles which is far too high according to their test. Small LDL, and medium LDL were both at 490, far above the maximums considered satisfactory. Large HDL came back with a number of 3881, which is far too low according to their test.
Lipoprotein(a) was a bright spot. I was only at 15 nmol/L according their test, much lower than the maximum of 75 considered optimal. What exactly should I make of these results?
You are a pattern B. For a complete picture I would suggest doing an inflammation panel by Cleveland heart labs. Also 9p21 and Apo B test.
It’s my understanding from research I’ve seen, that pattern B LDL has free cholesterol bound to the outside of its ‘shell’ but when that cholesterol becomes esterified, it gets drawn into the shell, swelling the pattern B LDL to become large fluffy pattern A.
IF this is so, the question in my mind is how to deliberately trigger that esterification?
I recently ran an expensive Cardio IQ test and discovered that I have a huge problem with small, dense LDL. The same test showed very low levels of Lipoprotein (a). The results of recent cardiac calcium scoring tests and Lp-PLA2 blood tests show I need to be very concerned because of increasing arterial inflammation and greatly increased calcium deposits. I am currently running HDL numbers in the low to mid forties and triglycerides in the 170-200 range with total LDL usually over 200.
I would suggest finding a provider that is associated with the BaleDoneen method. Look at their website. They have been treating this condition for the last 15 years with huge success. Their specialty.
Second that on the Baledoneen method. Their forte.
With an HDL of 97 and triglycerides of 50, I guess a forumula determined LDL of 161 should not be too worrisome?
I would be more concerned with the number and size of LDL particles. If you have large numbers of small LDL particles, that would be of concern. If they are mostly large particles, I wouldn’t be concerned at all. Cleveland Heart Lab’s lipoprotein fractionation tests or Labcorp’s NMR lipoprofile test panel would tell you about the number and size of LDL particles.
Cholesterol levels are the wrong thing to test for. You can be harmed by having too many LDL particles, too many small LDL particles in particular, or too many oxidized particles.
Thank you!
According to my recent lab results , Cardio IQ, I have LDL pattern B. LDL small and medium lipoprotein fractionation, ion mobility are both in the moderate risk category while HDL large is well within the high risk category. Can you direct me to any articles or information on what I can do to lower my risk?
Can a person have both pattern A and pattern B LDL’s?
I’m looking more deeply than just whether they classify me as pattern A or pattern B. They use somewhat arbitrary dividing lines for classification. I’m still overweight but less than I used to be. My apolipoprotein B levels are still too high. My Lp-PLA2 levels remain too high. Just getting labeled by Cleveland Heart Lab as pattern A isn’t good enough.
Hi, My latest test (19th Jan) shows LDL= 239, HDL= 74, Triglyceride=80, Total Cholesterol=329. My doctor wants to immediately put me on statins (Lipitor). I tried to argue that a) my TG:HDL ratio at 1.08 was ideal and b) I believe statins do more harm than good. To no avail – I was told not to believe what I read in tabloid newspapers – although I have done quite a bit of serious research. Am I or my doctor right/wrong. If I am right then do I need to take any action at all?
I have a total cholesterol level or 237 with 123 triglycerides and 70 hdl and 142 ldl. So using that triglycerides/hdl ratio formula I got <2 so it means I have type A?
Eventhough I am clearly a Pattern A patient, I would like to know If having an increasing pattern in LDL levels should be of concern (or at what point should having fluffy and few ldl particles is not enough).
In a Lab Corp test done in Sept 2020 I had total cholesterol at 280, LDL-P at 1669, LDL -C at 171 and HDL-C at 75. Luckily small LDL -P is 101 and LDL size is 22.6. However, in a regular lipid study Ldl-C increased from to 207.
my recent lab corp results have my total cholesterol at 190, Triglycerides at 58, HDL at 55, vLDL at 11, LDL at 124. o my triglycerides to HDL is almost 1. Would it be a fair assumption that my LDL could be mostly type A ??
So for the past three years I’ve been eating healthier and healthier, I have an active job, I exercise for fun. I’m normal weight with perfect glucose numbers but still my LDL is going up!
My doctor wants me on Lipitor and says I may have Familia Hyperlipidemia but according to this and other sources I may be very very low risk.
My most recent test on 2/24/21 is as follows.
Total: 268
HDL: 55
Triglycerides: 66
LDL: 196
If my math is right 66/55 is only 1.2
I’m a lil skeptical but scared at the same time. I’m going to schedule a CAS soon to see where I’m at, bit what other tests are recommend?
Thanks for the blog!
Hello,
my LDL was always high, no matter how healthy my life was and how much time I spend with cardio and in the gym. In the past months I changed my life from healthy to super healthy… even more cardio, even less alcohol, walking 25 kms each week alone to the office and back, no meal after 4 p.m., low carb, and lost another 10 pounds. Feel better and powerful – both physically and mentally than ever. My HDL raised by 10 %, but my LDL by more than 15! This starts to drive me crazy… expected declining or at least constant LDL.
Triglycerides/HDL ratio is 0.36, LDL/HDL ratio 2.6, age 54, 1.75 m, 86 kg, lots of muscles due to weight lifting three times a week
Any comments on these facts/numbers? Am I a medical miracle at the end of the day?
TIA for any feedback!
0.36 is good… maybe too good… this is based on mmol/l. But the scales of cholesterol and triglycerides are different. In mg/dl ist should be around 0.8, which is still good..
Your triglycerides are in the basement or you have unusually high HDL with that kind of ratio. Have you ever run Lp-PLA2? That test measures arterial inflammation.
both of your statements are true. I believe the trig. are low due to low carb diet, combined with interval diet. HDL may be high due to lot of cardio activity. Thx for the hint on Lp-PLA. Will do some research on this. Later